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		<title>By: Arizona Mortgage Guru &#187; Do a Short Sale or Foreclose? Either Way Your Credit is Shot and It&#8217;ll Be Hard To Get a Loan in the Future!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arizona Mortgage Guru &#187; Do a Short Sale or Foreclose? Either Way Your Credit is Shot and It&#8217;ll Be Hard To Get a Loan in the Future!</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] I had discussed this point in response to a visitor question back in December 2007. Recently another reader, who happens to be a very knowledge mortgage broker, left me a comment clarifying the current guidelines and how things are viewed today. I figured it would be to everyones interest to have the comments published as a post. So, below is the response from Catherine Coy to my post from last December &#8220;Will “Forgiven” Debt Affect My Credit Score?&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I had discussed this point in response to a visitor question back in December 2007. Recently another reader, who happens to be a very knowledge mortgage broker, left me a comment clarifying the current guidelines and how things are viewed today. I figured it would be to everyones interest to have the comments published as a post. So, below is the response from Catherine Coy to my post from last December &#8220;Will “Forgiven” Debt Affect My Credit Score?&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CatherineCoy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re very mistaken as to the impact of foreclosure vs. short sale vs. deed-in-lieu.

As a mortgage broker myself, I get many calls these days from consumers wondering what affect a short sale or foreclosure (or deed-in-lieu of foreclosure) will have on their credit. This is an important topic because the last real estate downturn (during the 1990s) preceded the widespread use of FICO scoring and automated underwriting systems. 

Some real estate agents and short sale investors (those seeking to purchase a homeowner’s property prior to foreclosure)--and even some mortgage professionals--suggest to the distressed homeowner that a short sale isn’t as damaging to one’s credit as a foreclosure.  Given the inherent conflict of interest—a real estate agent makes a commission on a short sale and doesn’t in a foreclosure—the real estate professional should proceed cautiously when counseling a seller.  The practical reality is, short sale or foreclosure, one’s credit will suck either way.

Many mistakenly believe that a derogatory public record such as foreclosure is somehow worse than petitioning the lender to accept less than owed (short sale).  In the world of banking, however, lenders interpret either of these events only one way:  the customer did not pay as agreed.  It matters not to a lender the manner by which it suffered a loss; only that it did.  Lenders go to great lengths to alert each other, by way of reporting to credit bureaus, that the defaulting homeowner is someone who, when the chips were down, didn’t honor a contract.

In fact, lately Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac took an even stronger stand against homeowners who renege on their obligation.  “Seasoning” of a foreclosure or short sale is now five years.

Fannie Mae Tightens Guidelines Again
http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/04/fannie-mae-tightens-guidelines-again.html

In the world of FICO scoring, there are three credit events that will severely sink a FICO score, and they all carry exactly the same weight.  They are (1) serious delinquency, (2) derogatory public record or (3) collection filed.   A homeowner in default is technically “in collection.”  These events are reported to all three bureaus as “Score Factor Code #22.”

http://www.bayhouse.com/FairIsaac-NextGen-risk-factors.shtml

A foreclosure will remain on a consumer’s credit report in the “public records” section for ten years.  In addition, this fact must be attested to on the loan application under “Declarations,” Section VIII, as follows:

(c) Have you had property foreclosed upon or given title or deed in lieu thereof in the last 7 years? (Y/N)

(e) Have you directly or indirectly been obligated on any loan which resulted in foreclosure, transfer of title in lieu of foreclosure, or judgment? (Y/N)

Because the term “short sale” is not expressly stated, some interpret this as meaning that a short sale is a lesser offense.  The truth is, decision makers in the lending industry know that a short sale is no different than a foreclosure or deed-in-lieu.  Here are two excerpts from a lender’s underwriting guidelines.

The following items are subject to individual evaluation, no matter how high the 
credit score:  
• Bankruptcy, foreclosure, deed-in-lieu, short sale.  
• Judgments, collections, charge-offs, tax liens.  
 
~ and ~

Foreclosure 
None in past 4 years with minimum 3 active trade lines more than 24 months old, with no late payments or derogatory credit after the foreclosure.
 
Definition of Foreclosure: Any 120 day mortgage late within the last 24 months, any notice of default or settlement on a real estate secured trade line (short sale), any deed-in-lieu or forbearance agreements.

To the homeowner with a mortgage he can no longer afford, the decision to voluntarily vacate through a short sale or be forced out by foreclosure can be agonizing.  The sterling credit reputation it may have taken a lifetime to establish is gone with a single event.  Most landlords with whom I’ve spoken state that, due to the widespread credit meltdown, they would view a foreclosure as not particularly onerous—provided that all other credit obligations were met on time.  A credit report riddled with “derogs” over a broad category of obligations would be viewed negatively.

For the homeowner who, if he remains in default, must eventually vacate his home, there may be an emotional advantage to avoiding the social stigma of the “F” word—foreclosure.  He can tell himself and his friends, “I’ve never had a foreclosure,” but to his lender and the credit bureaus, foreclosure and short sale are exactly the same.

This article is intended not as a judgment of the motive or character of a homeowner in distress, but to present the facts so that no one is misguided.  There’s no credit preservation advantage to short sale over foreclosure.  The nation’s two largest mortgage investors, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—with certain exceptions—won’t lend again for five years.  A consumer’s FICO score will take a huge hit either way until responsible credit behavior supplants the major hit of foreclosure/short sale over a period of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re very mistaken as to the impact of foreclosure vs. short sale vs. deed-in-lieu.</p>
<p>As a mortgage broker myself, I get many calls these days from consumers wondering what affect a short sale or foreclosure (or deed-in-lieu of foreclosure) will have on their credit. This is an important topic because the last real estate downturn (during the 1990s) preceded the widespread use of FICO scoring and automated underwriting systems. </p>
<p>Some real estate agents and short sale investors (those seeking to purchase a homeowner’s property prior to foreclosure)&#8211;and even some mortgage professionals&#8211;suggest to the distressed homeowner that a short sale isn’t as damaging to one’s credit as a foreclosure.  Given the inherent conflict of interest—a real estate agent makes a commission on a short sale and doesn’t in a foreclosure—the real estate professional should proceed cautiously when counseling a seller.  The practical reality is, short sale or foreclosure, one’s credit will suck either way.</p>
<p>Many mistakenly believe that a derogatory public record such as foreclosure is somehow worse than petitioning the lender to accept less than owed (short sale).  In the world of banking, however, lenders interpret either of these events only one way:  the customer did not pay as agreed.  It matters not to a lender the manner by which it suffered a loss; only that it did.  Lenders go to great lengths to alert each other, by way of reporting to credit bureaus, that the defaulting homeowner is someone who, when the chips were down, didn’t honor a contract.</p>
<p>In fact, lately Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac took an even stronger stand against homeowners who renege on their obligation.  “Seasoning” of a foreclosure or short sale is now five years.</p>
<p>Fannie Mae Tightens Guidelines Again<br />
<a href="http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/04/fannie-mae-tightens-guidelines-again.html" rel="nofollow">http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/04/fannie-mae-tightens-guidelines-again.html</a></p>
<p>In the world of FICO scoring, there are three credit events that will severely sink a FICO score, and they all carry exactly the same weight.  They are (1) serious delinquency, (2) derogatory public record or (3) collection filed.   A homeowner in default is technically “in collection.”  These events are reported to all three bureaus as “Score Factor Code #22.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bayhouse.com/FairIsaac-NextGen-risk-factors.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.bayhouse.com/FairIsaac-NextGen-risk-factors.shtml</a></p>
<p>A foreclosure will remain on a consumer’s credit report in the “public records” section for ten years.  In addition, this fact must be attested to on the loan application under “Declarations,” Section VIII, as follows:</p>
<p>(c) Have you had property foreclosed upon or given title or deed in lieu thereof in the last 7 years? (Y/N)</p>
<p>(e) Have you directly or indirectly been obligated on any loan which resulted in foreclosure, transfer of title in lieu of foreclosure, or judgment? (Y/N)</p>
<p>Because the term “short sale” is not expressly stated, some interpret this as meaning that a short sale is a lesser offense.  The truth is, decision makers in the lending industry know that a short sale is no different than a foreclosure or deed-in-lieu.  Here are two excerpts from a lender’s underwriting guidelines.</p>
<p>The following items are subject to individual evaluation, no matter how high the<br />
credit score:<br />
• Bankruptcy, foreclosure, deed-in-lieu, short sale.<br />
• Judgments, collections, charge-offs, tax liens.  </p>
<p>~ and ~</p>
<p>Foreclosure<br />
None in past 4 years with minimum 3 active trade lines more than 24 months old, with no late payments or derogatory credit after the foreclosure.</p>
<p>Definition of Foreclosure: Any 120 day mortgage late within the last 24 months, any notice of default or settlement on a real estate secured trade line (short sale), any deed-in-lieu or forbearance agreements.</p>
<p>To the homeowner with a mortgage he can no longer afford, the decision to voluntarily vacate through a short sale or be forced out by foreclosure can be agonizing.  The sterling credit reputation it may have taken a lifetime to establish is gone with a single event.  Most landlords with whom I’ve spoken state that, due to the widespread credit meltdown, they would view a foreclosure as not particularly onerous—provided that all other credit obligations were met on time.  A credit report riddled with “derogs” over a broad category of obligations would be viewed negatively.</p>
<p>For the homeowner who, if he remains in default, must eventually vacate his home, there may be an emotional advantage to avoiding the social stigma of the “F” word—foreclosure.  He can tell himself and his friends, “I’ve never had a foreclosure,” but to his lender and the credit bureaus, foreclosure and short sale are exactly the same.</p>
<p>This article is intended not as a judgment of the motive or character of a homeowner in distress, but to present the facts so that no one is misguided.  There’s no credit preservation advantage to short sale over foreclosure.  The nation’s two largest mortgage investors, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—with certain exceptions—won’t lend again for five years.  A consumer’s FICO score will take a huge hit either way until responsible credit behavior supplants the major hit of foreclosure/short sale over a period of time.</p>
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